BSG discussion: Spoilers!

[Skelas]

They shot the whole frakkin Quorum!

Jesus christ what a good show.

[Fretty]

I was shocked! It was SO brutal. I honestly did not see that coming.

Oh, and the smile and the "It stopped" line before the final two seconds of the show...oh my FRAKIN' god!

Now I wonder where the show will be headed, I mean...this problem seems to be averted now, what next?

[Slamz]

Yeah, the last couple episodes have been really good.

Last season in particular was starting to annoy me because they basically undermined every character I could have possibly liked. Adama Sr. turned into a crybaby with suicidal tendencies, Roslin I never much liked to begin with, Baltar just annoys the hell out of me, the Chief turned out to be a cylon, Kara basically went bonkers and they killed off a couple of the people they hadn't managed to make me dislike.

Thank goodness we don't have to deal with Gaeta anymore. Zarek was at least interesting, but you knew he was cruising towards a bullet one day or another.



In the last few episodes, Kara finally got back to kicking ass, Adama Sr. found his nuts and the Chief has been less annoying, as even Tigh and Roslin have been more "old hickory" and less "whiny bitch".


It was really killing the show for me when the writers basically gave me no character that was likable.

[Fretty]

I agree with that all. Kara was easily one of my fave's until she went all "prophetic" and crap. The president, well, I never could stand her, I hope she gets a bullet sometime soon too. Zarek was great, but you are right, it was coming. Gaeta was, odd. I really didn't expect him to be any kind of major player in the show towards the end, until this, but of course it's all over for him now, haha. Adama Sr. got his nuts back like you said, by sticking with his word and carrying out the execution promptly, it was refreshing (to get him back to normal). Adama Jr annoys me now though, he WAS kick ass too, until he became all politcal and garbage. Baltar, yup, religious/cult annoyance is the worst kind of annoyance (no offense to anyone).

I was shocked in the first episode of this second half when Dualla commited suicice, I did NOT see that coming, it was done so well, felt so bad for her.

[Singularity]

I'd lurve to know more about how Earth was destroyed. Even in the cylon flashbacks, it never really said. All you saw was this nuclear war taking place and chaos everywhere.

If humans destroyed it, where are they now?

[Slamz]

I'd lurve to know more about how Earth was destroyed. Even in the cylon flashbacks, it never really said. All you saw was this nuclear war taking place and chaos everywhere.

If humans destroyed it, where are they now?

It will turn out that that's where the current batch of humans came from and Cylons and Humans have traded off ambushing each other for ages or something.

[Zouji]

I agree with my brother. The real humans died ages ago. Everyone now is a Cylon. The difference in DNA could just attributed to different techniques used to make different "human like" Cylons throughout the ages. This cycle I'm sure has been going on tens of thousand if not hundreds of thousands of years. Remember all of this has happened before and will happen again.

The people that think they are human their ancestors either forgot they were Cylons somewhere along the way, or they just chose to disbelieve they were Cylons.

Also remember if all of this has happened before then there was also a Cylon civil war back then. One side probably colonized Earth. The other side went away butt hurt and just built a crap ton of ships. Then they waited and nuked the hell out of Earth.

[Vanraw]

I dont think its going to turn out that every one is a cylon. The concept of them not being able to procreate until now that 7 is pregnent indicates that this was something they were working on.

The interesting thing is that there are cylons that have memories from the earth, but not all. Just the "5".

I have a feeling we are going to get introduced to some new nemesis. Something that the 13 tribes ran away from to create caprica. That I bet is what killed earth and I bet they run into it / them. Perhaps the cylons were created to help earth fight this new bad guy.

This would make sense, since "the 5" were obviously good guy cylons towards humans all along.

So heres my guess.

Earth has some bad ass enemy.

They create robots to help them defeat them. The war rages.

When it looks bad, they send a "ark" out to space with some cylons to save humanity.

The earth gets destroyed.

The new humans / cylons create a new cylon race.

Caprica gets destroyed.

The TV show is born.

[Slamz]

Nah -- I don't think we'll see a new enemy simply because this is the last season and it would be a bitch move to end the show basically by introducing a new enemy.


I vote for either my theory or Zouji's.

Zouji's works when you think of it this way:

1) Humans create Cylons (like a million years ago)
2) Cylons kill all the humans
3) Cylons figure out how to procreate. They live basically as humans for a few thousand years.
4) Cylons forget they are Cylons and they invent a race of robots to help them, which they call Cylons
5) New Cylons kill all the old Cylons
6) Goto 3


But I lean towards my theory because it seems like something that Hollywood writers desperately love to do: inject some kind of half-baked morality into our TV shows, particularly anti-war. "Oh noes, the two sides! They is killing each other 4ever in a loop! If only they would make peace and love each other! Also, this is just like America and Iraq."

That's right up their alley.

[Singularity]

The tribes left Kobol a few thousand years ago due to the war between the Lords of Kobol and the inhabitants. The details are kinda fuzzy, but it's something about one of the Lords of Kobol rising above the other Lords and demanding to be the only one worshipped. So who are the "Lords of Kobol"? And who is the one who caused the conflict leading to the exodus?

There was so much religious mumbo jumbo when they found Kobol that it was hard to keep track of, but I remember that the tribes used to live on the same planet (Kobol) with the Lords, and they all left when a huge war broke out. Some things that I think they have to answer are this:

1. If the lost 13th tribe are cylons ("a different model", according to Baltar at the beginning of this season), then who destroyed them when they settled on Earth? The Humans of the Twelve Colonies were unknown light years away when the attack came, and they had no knowledge of Earth's location, so unless it was a mass historical coverup, the Twelve Colonies couldn't have anything to do with it.

Could it be the Lords of Kobol? Or the renegade Lord of Kobol? Could they be the ones who destroyed Earth?

2. If humans of the Twelve Colonies created cylons only a few decades before the Cylon war broke out (and that was in Admiral Adama's lifetime), then how in the world were cylons created on Kobol before their exodus to Earth? And who created them? And were those Cylons of the 13th tribe original inhabitants of Kobol, or were they made on Earth by...something?

3. Who are the Lords of Kobol, really?

4. What is the deal with Starbuck's ship on the planet? And whose skeleton is that?

And one I want a personal answer to...

5.. In an episode last season, Galactica finds a probe left behind by the 13th tribe that turns out to be deadly to cylons but harmless to humans. I think it would be neat to explore that a bit more...like, why it was only deadly to the cylons and not humans. Perhaps because the tribe was, in fact, Cylons during the exodus (meaning that they were cylons built on Kobol)?

Hmmmm....

[Jakensama]

But I lean towards my theory because it seems like something that Hollywood writers desperately love to do: inject some kind of half-baked morality into our TV shows, particularly anti-war. "Oh noes, the two sides! They is killing each other 4ever in a loop! If only they would make peace and love each other! Also, this is just like America and Iraq."

That's right up their alley.

They already did that when the humans were terrorists on New Caprica and the Cylons were the occupying Americans.

I just am holding my breath 'til Roslin dies, hopefully painfully.

Also, did they ever answer why Baltar was seeing the cylon chick in his head? I kind of got bored in the middle of the series and quit watching til season 4 began.

[Fretty]

The one thing I really do NOT want to have happen is:
TIME TRAVEL

Starbuck's ship on Earth, Earth destroyed, the final 5 cylons all happened to be part of the original 12 colonies etc etc.

Perhaps the final five cylons sent one of each of themselves back in time to warn the 12 colonies? Or perhaps just to ensure that one of each of the five "live on" to keep their colony "alive". Maybe Starbuck went forward, or backwards in time (could work both ways; she comes back in time to "save Galactica and lead them to Earth" or "they somehow travelled forward in time, which is how she sees her own demise in a crashed ship on Earth").

I don't know really, I haven't put enough thought into that possibility since I literally just thought of the time travel idea right now and of how crappy it would be if they used time travel as their excuse. Any story that tries to justifty it's events with an excuse that can't really be explained (time travel) is just poor writing.


I like the theories I'm reading here though, very interesting stuff!

[Fretty]

I just am holding my breath 'til Roslin dies, hopefully painfully.

I hope. And soon.

Also, did they ever answer why Baltar was seeing the cylon chick in his head? I kind of got bored in the middle of the series and quit watching til season 4 began.

Nope. I think it may have gotten religiony (yup, made that up) or something, can't fully remember, but I know it was never fully explained or proven.

[Zouji]

Yeah, the last couple episodes have been really good.

Last season in particular was starting to annoy me because they basically undermined every character I could have possibly liked. Adama Sr. turned into a crybaby with suicidal tendencies, Roslin I never much liked to begin with, Baltar just annoys the hell out of me, the Chief turned out to be a cylon, Kara basically went bonkers and they killed off a couple of the people they hadn't managed to make me dislike.

Thank goodness we don't have to deal with Gaeta anymore. Zarek was at least interesting, but you knew he was cruising towards a bullet one day or another.

I was expecting Zarek to die back in Season 1. I haven't really had any character that I hated on this show.

My favorite characters are still (in this order) Colonel Tye, Baltar, Admiral Adamma, and the Lawyer with the glasses.

Colonel Tye has always been awesome. He reminds me a lot of Security Chief Garibaldi in Babylon 5. Drink then get pissed. Sober up and do some cool stuff. Mess up. Drink some more. Attempt to commit suicide. Then just repeat the whole process while not really learning anything.

Baltar is just a great bad guy. He attempts to do good things, but when push comes to shove he always saves his own ass first. Granted he feels guilty about that for about an hour then he will repeat the whole process again. Also after the trial he turned into Jesus. He ran away from all danger for your sins (Also incidentally you will probably die from the thing that Baltar is running away from but that's just semantics.) Also if your a chick he will sleep with you to help purge your body of all sin. Yeah that's it.

Admiral Adamma is awesome since he is the grizzled old ships Captain. He has just gotten more awesome as the season has progressed. Becoming more and more grizzled during the mutiny.

The Lawyer is just an awesome charcter played by a good actor for that part. Also they killed his cat. It wasn't even his cat to begin with. Hopefully they will not kill his new dog or else the whole fleet will feel his wrath.

[Dustie]

Earth has some bad ass enemy.

It may not be some bad ass enemy, but an element within the human/cyclon group that is manipulating this whole process "all of this has happened before, all of this will happen again."

I agree with whoever said that to introduce an entirely new antagonist in the last episodes would be tough and it would just piss people off.

1. If the lost 13th tribe are cylons ("a different model", according to Baltar at the beginning of this season), then who destroyed them when they settled on Earth?
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Could it be the Lords of Kobol? Or the renegade Lord of Kobol? Could they be the ones who destroyed Earth?

I was under the impression that the destruction of earth came from within, i.e. it parallels our current path toward nuclear holocost. In other words, we're being warned of our current path toward annihaliation if we don't start getting along.

There's an obvious wrench thrown in that story line since there were cylons on Earth but I still think they could fudge cyclons into the picture somehow.

3. Who are the Lords of Kobol, really?

Yep, I'm darn sure we didn't listen to all this religious history for 4 years without some major story line attachment to the conclusion. If it all just turns out to be a "neat side story" so they could say "gods damit" then I'll be ticked off.

[Jakensama]

What bothers me is that they were obviously at interstellar technology when they colonized the new colonies, and had obviously at least maintained the technology to communicate and travel between colonies due to their form of government. How is it that their history has descended into mythology when they were still technologoically developed?

[Dustie]

They shot the whole frakkin Quorum!

Jesus christ what a good show.

Btw, that was one of the best scenes in BSG history.

[Vanraw]

When I say, "I have a feeling we are going to get introduced to some new nemesis". Im saying it will be something the 13 tribes were running from. Perhaps what CK was talking about, one of the "lords of Kobol" or a faction of it. I'm not talking about some new ET.

I agree with the whole "religious" path here. The show had way to many detailed references on religion. All the visions and signs. There's going to be a new surprise on every of the next 7 shows.

Someone made a comment about time travel. I agree. They better not pull a planet of the apes here. that would piss me off.

[Breand]

You guys are forgetting Tigh, one of the best characters EVER! =) And the lawyer too, but he's a bit player. And the scruffy Cyclon linked to Kara, tho theyve mellowed him out too.

This season is amazing and yeah, I was kinda not feeling it last season. I frankly hated the reveal of the 4 other cylons, it's like "oh what a coincidence that a bunch of second tier characters are magically cylons!" I mean, the president's aide...cmon. I still have a hard time getting past it.

And yes, they better not mess with time travel, like Lost is doing. Such a cop out.

[Jakensama]

According to wiki about caprica:

This was already the cause of friction between Moore and the Sci-Fi Channel at Caprica's parent series — the first two seasons of Battlestar Galactica were arc-intensive, with detailed attention to internal continuity, but were not pulling in the Nielsen ratings that the network wanted, so the Sci-Fi Channel pressured Moore into retooling the third season of BSG to consist of largely standalone episodes. This measure actually backfired, as it resulted in negative criticism from both fans and critics, and Moore revealed in the Season 3 finale podcast that the network finally grudgingly admitted that standalone episodes simply do not work in the format of story he is trying to tell

Which explains why the 3rd season kind of blew and I only caught bits and pieces.

[Slamz]

The people running the Sci-Fi channel have no business trying to tell any writer how to conduct his work. IMO, they've managed to run that channel almost completely into the ground with a series of stupid decisions and, these days, a slew of really awful "made for TV" sci-fi movies.

BSG has been the only thing worth watching on that channel for some time now IMO.

Hell, they should have kept on Mystery Science Theater 3000, which could at least take a shitty sci-fi movie and make it funny.

[Breand]

yeah Sci-Fi sucks. It's run by Universal...so NBC. They were actually toying with the idea of not renewing the 3rd season.

[Vanraw]

yea I hear you on scifi. It used to be my most watched channel. Now I forget to even check whats on. With the exception of BSG.

It really went down hill when they started with the wrestling Tuesdays. WTF is that doing on scifi?

[Gnarnok]

Hell, they should have kept on Mystery Science Theater 3000, which could at least take a shitty sci-fi movie and make it funny.

I watched that movie yesterday! The show was great too.

[Jakensama]

I'm so glad they cancelled Farscape so they had a budget for those quality made for tv sci fi movies.