HBO - Game of Thrones SPOILERS INSIDE. you have been warned

[Vllad]

Wow, last night was really good. This season is fantastic but so sad. Way more emotion in this season.

[Diggles]

What is exactly so sad? How is Hodor dying worse than Red wedding, Ned beheading or burning a child at the stake??

[strife]

Wow that's fucked up. Dire Wolf count now 2 I swear they are killing them off just because it's expensive to do CGI.

I'm not real big on Bran being able to virtually time travel and actually have an impact on the past. I like that he is able to see the past, but him having an impact on Hodor in the past annoys me. I'm not a fan of the concept of time travel anyways(I get he's not actually time traveling).

I'm curious if that is now the end of the Children of the Forest... and if Bran being marked is going to have any other impact later on.

I'm with Vllad, this episode was sad. From Daenerys forgiving Jorah to Hodor and Summer dying. I really should have just waited until all 10 episodes have aired and then just watched them all at one time...

[Zouji]

Poor Hodor....

[Zouji]

Goodnight sweet Prince....

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[Vllad]

How is Hodor dying worse than Red wedding, Ned beheading or burning a child at the stake??

Who said anything about worse? Hodor's death can be sad all by itself without comparing it to other moments in the story.

Re-read what I said then comment however if the sad irony of that death is lost on you then their is no point in explaining.

[Vllad]

Wow
I'm with Vllad, this episode was sad.

GRRM is a hard core mother fucker.

That is a 20 year set-up to kill Hodor off.

[Jakensama]

Plus, the victims of the red wedding were all victims because Rob was a selfish prick and he threw away an important military alliance for a teenage whim. It wasn't Hodor's fault he was caught in a causality loop that would render him more than a tool.

[Zouji]

Yeah, Hodor is one of the very few characters that are given any light in the books (and show) that seem well... innocent. You had him and you had Stannis's daughter. Both wound up being sacrificed to the needs of others.

In the books you also had Tommen and Mrycela. They are older in the shows, so they can/could choose to affect there fate more than the others.


Granted, I think that if Hodor could have decided for himself, he might have ended up doing the same thing. We will never know.

[strife]

Did y'all see the articles about the dude who predicted the origin of Hodor's name like 8 years ago. He didn't predict exactly how it happened, but he predicted that Hodor was Hold the door shortened.

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[Zouji]

I'm not surprised. The internet full of people spouting random things. Every now and then they hit on the truth.

[Vllad]

Granted, I think that if Hodor could have decided for himself, he might have ended up doing the same thing. We will never know.

Not to say it won't work out different in the books but in the show I think you do know.

Bran warged Hodor from the past but generally that was Hodor running and holding the door.

When a person is warging and being warged their eyes go white and other than the initial shock to wake Hodor I don't believe he was warged. Basically Hodor was only warged to get his ass moving. Once up and moving I believe it was Hodor the entire time. Bran reached through young Hodor to reach the old Hodor but generally Hodor knew what he had to do since he had seen it all before in his first encounter with Bran.

Hodor did exactly what he was told he should do from childhood. Hold the Door. Bran wasn't controlling Hodor when they escaped. It at least was different this time vs. the other times.

That is why the Raven brought him to that point in time and never took him out even with them being surrounded by Wights and Walkers. The Raven actually encouraged Bran on. They weren't there to see his dad or his grandfather. The Raven brought Bran exactly to that point in time where Bran needed to be to break Hodor's mind to ensure Hodor was exactly at the point he had to be to save Bran's life later on.

I think what broke the young Hodor is he could see what was happening to his old self. He basically lived through his own death as a youth.

The sad irony being it was Bran's fault why Hodor was who he was. Once again the supposed "good guy" sacrificing an innocent life in the name of... what?

[Zouji]

In the name of what they think will help them or what they think is right. It is a recurring theme after all.

[strife]

Another reoccurring theme is that every time one of the Starks does something selfish or stupid, their dire wolf gets killed... except Rickon(so far), his is dead and he's done nothing stupid or selfish that we are aware of(assuming that was shaggy dogs head given to Ramsay.

* Sansa's dire wolf was immediately killed after she lied about the attack on Joffrey.
* Rob's dire wolf was killed after he married Talisa and betrayed the Frey's.
* Bran's was just killed after he was using his green sight when he wasn't supposed to and stupidly got touched by the nights king.

[Jakensama]

[Vanraw]

GRRM is a hard core mother fucker.

That is a 20 year set-up to kill Hodor off.

That was something.

[Zouji]

Surprise guest appearance and death of the Hupplehead cocksucker. At least he didn't die to the San Francisco cocksucker.

[Vllad]

Surprise guest appearance and death of the Hupplehead cocksucker. At least he didn't die to the San Francisco cocksucker.

That whole part didn't make sense.

The Brotherhood according to the Frey's has been raising up the common people to fight against them. Then the Brotherhood just lays waste to some common people building a church? I guess the Hound could be wrong about them being the Brotherhood but then why mention it?

[Breand]

Surprise guest appearance and death of the Hupplehead cocksucker. At least he didn't die to the San Francisco cocksucker.

That whole part didn't make sense.

The Brotherhood according to the Frey's has been raising up the common people to fight against them. Then the Brotherhood just lays waste to some common people building a church? I guess the Hound could be wrong about them being the Brotherhood but then why mention it?

That whole sequence was some weak ass, formulaic storytelling, probably because there is no source material for it. A waste of Ian McShane's talents. This was by far the weakest episode of the season.

[Jakensama]

There was kind of source material for it, there is a monastery where a character they assumed was the hound resided in one of the boring ass Brienne chapters.

[Vllad]

There was kind of source material for it, there is a monastery where a character they assumed was the hound resided in one of the boring ass Brienne chapters.

Yea the gravedigger.

I would like to know where they are taking the Black Fish thing too. Sansa is a moron is she thinks the Tully's can help at this point. So what is B&B going to do with the Blackfish?

[OrsunVZ]

Yea the gravedigger.

I would like to know where they are taking the Black Fish thing too. Sansa is a moron is she thinks the Tully's can help at this point. So what is B&B going to do with the Blackfish?

I think she does think he can help. But she doesn't think its going to be the Blackfish saving the day alone either. The letter she's sending via raven has to be to littlefinger. The knights of the Vale would be enough to win the day all by themselves.

I'm curious about the Hound as well. I am hoping he's just wrong, and that they were from the brave companions. And that somehow that's what gets him back with Thoros, and together they hunt the 3 down. I agree there is something missing here. I'm not willing to blame this on bad writing yet. There may be more to this story.

[Zouji]

In the book with the graver digger, someone had taken the hounds armor (or at least the helmet) and weapons and was impersonating the Hound, running around looting burning and pillaging things. These guys could just be people that have stolen the Brotherhoods clothes (probably murdered the original owners), and are looting and pillaging "in the name of the Brotherhood". If someone finds out about them all they have to say is that the brotherhood did it.

This will help get the common people to not trust the Brotherhood any longer, so the Lannister supporters in the area can murder the Brotherhood... Again.

[Skelas]

I'm pretty sure Sansa's Raven is to littlefinger too, ala Orsun. He's already offered the whole weight of the Vale, she just has to accept it.

[Zouji]

Yes, and then get betrayed. Because like her other relatives, she also carries both the Tully and the Stark dumbass genes. Apparently this genetic variant is rather lethal in Westeros