03-17-2009, 02:06 PM
Zeeroh Wrote:lies!
I'm curious which games you've played... I've never even heard of space pirates.
I highly recommend the geek for the purpose of finding which games are worth buying - and for you vllad, I'd recommend Shogun, Twilight Imperium, or battlelore.
Quite a few of them (as a whole) do fall into that multi-player solitaire catagory - but the good ones have enough player interaction that you can still screw over your opponents while getting the goods yerself.
Incidentally - the only "space pirate" game I could find was by Steve Jackson (his games suck, sorry) called "SPANC - Space Pirate Amazon Ninja Catgirls" - I'm worried for you.
Instead of de-railing the other thread Zeeroh I thought I would bring it here.
Euro games are the masters of taking out any adverserail strategy in their products. They obviously don't play test their products very well either.
Dophuz and I go to a con every year and play not only our old standards but we always play new products. We can't get more then one or two plays out of Euro games because either they are to boring or they are broken.
Let me list them based on that criteria.
Boring:
Setters lf Cataan
Puerto Rico
Space Smuggler
Age of Renessiance
Broken:
Twilight Imperium
Race for the Galaxy
Kingdoms
Shadows over Camelot
These are the ones that come to mind. (Dophuz and I have played at least 20 more in the last 5 years) Twilight Imperium which you mentioned could have been something good. The way they assign the victory points are a joke. You can't hide VP's nor can you make them random. You could end up playing a race that has no chance to win however you never know if you are playing one of them since the VP's aren't revealed until the 10th turn or so.
They just plain didn't play test the game like it should have been.
Euro games are like soccer mom's. They don't want people to have to compete. Any game that doesn't require adverserial events to transpire in order to win is a failure in my opinion.
Granted I am comparing this to the games I grew up playing. The best games in my opinion on the market are all games that are not newer then 1991. Maybe if you grew up playing those games one just can not enjoy the crap they put out today.
The best board games ever made are:
Titan
Brittania
Empire and Arms
Diplomacy
Machiavelli
Republic of Rome
World in Flames
Avalon Hill Civil War series
East Front (Block version)
Arkam Horror
Once you play the games above playing a Euro game is like comparing "The Backstree Boys" to "Mozart".
Granted computer games have made games like Empire and Arms and World in Flames obsolete and I can live with that.
While I appreciate what Euro games have done for the board gaming community lets not pretend it has raised the bar. It is sad that when we left the con last labor day we had to discuss putting the TimJim guys back together to create some new board games to play so we could actually having something to play that doesn't make us yawn or throw it back in the box with in the first two turns.
Vllad