06-22-2015, 11:28 AM
I still think Jon getting stabbed was as much a power grab as anything else. First of all, when Jon was elected, it was close. Many of Jon's supporters are either dead or gone away. I can see Jon hoping that people see the necessity, and put all other differences aside. I can see Jon taking this action despite the knowledge that he PROBABLY WILL DIE. At the end, Jon is Ned's son, and he will make the tough decisions. It is entirely feasible that Jon came to the conclusion that the only hope was to just TRY to get as many people south of the wall as possible. If he fails and dies at the hands of fellow night's watch, it's and end FAR better than dying to the wights.
I still think this all comes down to Thorne. For him, this is a power play 100%. For him, he views Jon as weak, and unable to make the kind of decisions necessary to survive. He thinks Jon is going to get everyone killed. And for Thorne, it would be easy for him to recruit the kind of people necessary to betray Jon. Olly is the only one that is the REAL betrayal. And for him, he's just a kid, and has never been north of the wall. The wall itself, to Olly, must seem utterly impenetrable. And again, it would be easy for Thorne to manipulate Olly.
So ultimately, this comes down to Jon vs. Thorne, and essentially Jon hoping Thorne doesn't choose this moment for a coup. You have to assume that what transpired at Hardholme was relayed to everyone. For Thorne, that news probably CAUSED him to take out Jon. The traitor brand they gave him was simply Thorne's "cover".
Lastly, it wasn't the entire watch that came and stabbed him. It was 8'ish guys plus Olly. Not everyone in the watch would be willing to take out Jon even though they might think he's wrong.
Anyone know how Thorne came into the Watch?
I still think this all comes down to Thorne. For him, this is a power play 100%. For him, he views Jon as weak, and unable to make the kind of decisions necessary to survive. He thinks Jon is going to get everyone killed. And for Thorne, it would be easy for him to recruit the kind of people necessary to betray Jon. Olly is the only one that is the REAL betrayal. And for him, he's just a kid, and has never been north of the wall. The wall itself, to Olly, must seem utterly impenetrable. And again, it would be easy for Thorne to manipulate Olly.
So ultimately, this comes down to Jon vs. Thorne, and essentially Jon hoping Thorne doesn't choose this moment for a coup. You have to assume that what transpired at Hardholme was relayed to everyone. For Thorne, that news probably CAUSED him to take out Jon. The traitor brand they gave him was simply Thorne's "cover".
Lastly, it wasn't the entire watch that came and stabbed him. It was 8'ish guys plus Olly. Not everyone in the watch would be willing to take out Jon even though they might think he's wrong.
Anyone know how Thorne came into the Watch?
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