So wha are you 2014 guesses?

[Grieve]

It's just a 10% rise, way below the almost 30% rise last year. Since 2008 the S&P has been up at least 12% every year except 2011. You could say we're due for a fall, but after this weak patch now I think earnings will go higher.

Incidentally, remember after 2008 the "new normal" was supposed to be small to no gains, with buy and hold dead? Five year annualized returns are 17.94%, and even 10 year are 7.40%. Didn't pay to listen to the naysayers.