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Shuttle transits the Sun - Dustie - 05-19-2009

I thought this was an interesting shot:

http://gadgets.boingboing.net/assets_c/2009/05/3531410425_f94db338c2-thumb-620x522-20708.jpg

- 1000xZero - 05-19-2009

That is a cool pic.

- Dustie - 05-19-2009

Yeah, its a neat perspective.

- Zens - 05-19-2009

That's not real.

- Thudz - 05-19-2009

Zens Wrote:That's not real.

I thought so before I read the article. I believe it's real now.

- Dustie - 05-19-2009

It should be real, my cousin works at NASA and emailed it too me. I just looked it up online to find a copy I could post here without uploading the image myself (from my email).

- Thudz - 05-19-2009

Dustie Wrote:It should be real, my cousin works at NASA and emailed it too me. I just looked it up online to find a copy I could post here without uploading the image myself (from my email).

It was actually taken my an amateur astronomer and not NASA.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article6292923.ece">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 292923.ece</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2431157.ece">http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... 431157.ece</a>

- Kakarat - 05-19-2009

That is as real as Neil Armstrong stepping on the moon.

The object that is used to depict the sun looks like a nerf ball of some sort. and the image of the shuttle is applied via some high-tech 50 million dollar photoshop pro that Nasa has created. Mind you in the black portion of this photo there should be stars. I do not see any.

- Thudz - 05-19-2009

<a class="postlink" href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/15/check-this-out-amazing-photo-of-the-sun/">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badas ... f-the-sun/</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25059/1066/">http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25059/1066/</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.universetoday.com/2009/05/15/amazing-images-of-shuttle-and-hubble-transiting-sun/">http://www.universetoday.com/2009/05/15 ... iting-sun/</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1182090/Solar-powered-Amateur-astronomer-snaps-space-shuttle-telescope-speeding-sun.html">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... g-sun.html</a>

- Hoofhurr - 05-19-2009

You need some kind of special lens to have the sun in the backdrop to minimize its intensity. My guess is that same lens cuts out the light from stars behind the sun.

- Dustie - 05-19-2009

http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_1354.html

Quote:Transiting the Sun
In this tightly cropped image, the NASA space shuttle Atlantis is seen in silhouette during solar transit, Tuesday, May 12, 2009, from Florida. This image was made before Atlantis and the crew of STS-125 had grappled the Hubble Space Telescope.

The phtographer made this image using a solar-filtered Takahashi 5-inch refracting telescope and a Canon 5D Mark II digital camera.

- Dustie - 05-19-2009

Hoofhurr Wrote:You need some kind of special lens to have the sun in the backdrop to minimize its intensity. My guess is that same lens cuts out the light from stars behind the sun.

Yep, I think there was definitely a filter involved.

PS I forwarded the email from my cousin to Snowreap (an independent 3rd party) so he can vouch that it was an email from NASA. Now there may be a conspiracy, but if you believe these NASA employees, this is indeed a real image (at least they seem to believe it's real).

- Snowreap - 05-19-2009

is that why I got that email? an email with no SMTP headers, by the way, which makes its authenticity impossible to verify.

in any event, the biggest indicator of that picture's authenticity is that it is of a much higher quality than the alleged NASA photograph.

so I would have to say that, yes, the image is probably authentic. if somebody were trying to fake images to make NASA look good, they wouldn't do so by having private hobbyists publish images far superior to NASA's own images.

and nobody has to fake images to make NASA look bad, ergo...

-ken

- Dustie - 05-19-2009

Snowreap Wrote:is that why I got that email? an email with no SMTP headers, by the way, which makes its authenticity impossible to verify.

in any event, the biggest indicator of that picture's authenticity is that it is of a much higher quality than the alleged NASA photograph.

so I would have to say that, yes, the image is probably authentic. if somebody were trying to fake images to make NASA look good, they wouldn't do so by having private hobbyists publish images far superior to NASA's own images.

and nobody has to fake images to make NASA look bad, ergo...

-ken

Thanks, I think..

I just forwarded you the email, I didn't strip out headers from the NASA sources (see all those NASA emails). I did delete my aunts email address out of there (so you can't harass her email account like I know you do sometimes).

- Snowreap - 05-19-2009

no, not the recipients, I mean the SMTP headers. stuff like this (taken from some junk mail I recently received):

Quote:Received: from kenmsgsmtp01.us.schp.com ([10.6.104.100]) by KENMSG25.us.schp.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959);
Tue, 19 May 2009 13:20:57 -0400
Received: from kenmsgip02.us.schp.com ([10.1.68.44]) by kenmsgsmtp01.us.schp.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959);
Tue, 19 May 2009 13:20:57 -0400
X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true
X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhwCAB+HEkpCJ7ESmWdsb2JhbACCITGTZoEeAQEBAQEICwoHEUW3VII6AYFHBYhOAw
X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.41,216,1241409600";
d="scan'208,217";a="271404883"
Received: from m1.seng.bendtel.com ([66.39.177.18])
by kenmsgip02.us.schp.com with ESMTP; 19 May 2009 13:19:31 -0400
Received: from [192.168.1.103] (208-100-163-67.bendbroadband.com [208.100.163.67])
by m1.seng.bendtel.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5BCE54118CC;
Tue, 19 May 2009 10:19:13 -0700 (PDT)
User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 10:19:24 -0700
Subject: Wirth-Jobs
From: Wirth & Associates <wirth>
To: Scher <wirth>,
Scher2 <wirth>,
Scher3 <wirth>,
Scher4 <wirth>,
Scher5 <wirth>
Message-ID: <C638382B>
Mime-version: 1.0
Content-type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3325573164_27437_MIME_Part"
X-BendTel-MailScanner-Information: Please contact BendTel for more information
X-BendTel-MailScanner-ID: 5BCE54118CC.406FB
X-BendTel-MailScanner: Found to be clean
X-BendTel-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached,
score=-0.193, required 5, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44, AWL -0.57,
HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE 1.82)
X-BendTel-MailScanner-From: <a href="mailto:wirth@wirth-associates.com">wirth@wirth-associates.com</a>
X-Spam-Status: No
Return-Path: <a href="mailto:wirth@wirth-associates.com">wirth@wirth-associates.com</a>
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2009 17:20:57.0097 (UTC)

-ken

- Dustie - 05-19-2009

oh oh, well, I just forward it from gmail. Would that strip them?

PS what tool do you use? Something like Outlook spy? How do you know that the SMTP headers haven't simply been tampered with if it's not encypted or contains a verification key/certificate? I can use tools to edit anything I want in most of the SMTP (and MAPI) properties.

- Snowreap - 05-19-2009

the SMTP headers can be tampered with, easily. but despite this they still can form a verification chain. in the example above, I know that KENMSG25 and kenmsgsmtp01 are trustworthy -- they're part of our company's Exchange infrastructure and I know that nobody in my company's Exchange team is going to fake recruiting emails.

further, I can see from the headers that our firewall (kenmsgip02) received the email from "m1.seng.bendtel.com". theoretically, I could verify that "bendbroadband.com" is associated with "bendtel", and that "Wirth and Associates" is a customer of "bend broadband".

but if, for example, I received an email purporting to be from Microsoft, recommending that I download and install a patch, but our firewall received the message from a cablevision IP address, then I could be fairly certain that any of the headers beyond that point are suspect -- there is no reason for Microsoft to route their emails through the cablevision network.

-ken

- Dustie - 05-19-2009

Gotcha, thanks

- Diggles - 05-19-2009

looks like some crappy 80's PC game graphics

Star Control XXIIVI: Terran Government Propganda Coverup

- Dustie - 05-19-2009

I've now been accused of ripping off a crappy video game, lying, email tampering, and conspiring. I'm not sharing anymore. =p

- Thudz - 05-19-2009

Dustie Wrote:I've now been accused of ripping off a crappy video game, lying, email tampering, and conspiring. I'm not sharing anymore. =p

Most people have no idea what the sun looks like through solar filters. I don't blame them I was skeptical until I educated myself.

- Dustie - 05-19-2009

Thudz Wrote:
Dustie Wrote:I've now been accused of ripping off a crappy video game, lying, email tampering, and conspiring. I'm not sharing anymore. =p

Most people have no idea what the sun looks like through solar filters. I don't blame them I was skeptical until I educated myself.

I always just assume that everyone watches the Science Channel.

- Diggles - 05-19-2009

Here are pictures that I believe

[Image: space_1367605c.jpg]

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5005022/Teens-capture-images-of-space-with-56-camera-and-balloon.html">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... lloon.html</a>

Done by teenagers[/img]

- Karne - 05-19-2009

The photo struck me as the sizes were out of proportion to the actual distance the shuttle really would be from the Sun. Although, Diggles picture looks like something out of Superman Returns. Way to go Diggles always knew you were from Krypton or something Smile