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Re: HBO - Game of Thrones - Jakensama - 04-10-2012
Zirak Wrote:My problem with Martin is that he is a sick puppy. I used to read his Wild Card stories but they eventually became so sick, twisted, and depraved that I had to stop. So far this series has not reached that point in print but on the screen it got very close just in the first season.
A guy nailing his menstruating sister on an alter didn't qualify has sick enough to you?
First three books were great, seems the more fantasy the worse it gets though... I much preferred the politics.
Re: HBO - Game of Thrones - Zirak - 04-10-2012
I did not say Game of Thrones is not a bit sick and twisted just that it has not gotten bad enough to make me stop reading. The instances of things I'd rather not read about are still few enough and far enough between and described in vague enough ways that they don't detract much from my enjoyment of the story. And some I apparently just edit out of my memory as I have no recollection at all of what you are referring to.
Re: HBO - Game of Thrones - Breand - 04-10-2012
Weiss has stated officially that Season 3 will only be half of Storm of Swords, so Martin still has plenty of time....well for HBO he does...for life on this planet...that's another story.
Re: HBO - Game of Thrones - OrsunVZ - 04-10-2012
Breaking swords up into two seasons actually makes a LOT of sense.
Re: HBO - Game of Thrones - Shinigami - 04-10-2012
From the past 2 episodes what do you guys think? I like the development, dialogue, and references to the 1st season since it helps establish continuity, and not make it seem "OH WELL THIS HAPPENED AND WE NEVER TALK ABOUT IT" kind of way that I find most series like to do. I have only read one of the books but hope to eventually get to them all. I hope we see more battles as the season progresses because the political intrigue and character development set the stage for crescendos and eventually a finale. Basically I hope HBO doesn't promise and then fail to deliver.
Re: HBO - Game of Thrones - Jakensama - 04-10-2012
OrsunVZ Wrote:Breaking swords up into two seasons actually makes a LOT of sense.
If it lasts longer than that I highly doubt they will follow seasons based on books anymore - they aren't going to want to cut characters out of entire series. TV Audiences who havent read the books whine about how hard it is to remember characters names, how bad would it be after a few seasons?
Not to mention in the 8 or 9 seasons this would likely take to do (assuming they dont get more money and run more eps per season), the kids are going to get waaay too old.
Shinigami Wrote:I have only read one of the books but hope to eventually get to them all. I hope we see more battles as the season progresses because the political intrigue and character development set the stage for crescendos and eventually a finale.
There are battles but they rarely are really a crescendo but rather to set the stage for the next batch of political intrigue. Its basically the opposite of LOTR, instead of having horribly written characters as an excuse to have big fight scenes, the big fight scenes in the book are to move characters forward (or in the ground as is often the case).
I wont mind if the TV cuts battles like the end of the first season to save enough money for the important shit. Obviously the big fight at the end of this season will have to get some love. Hopefully not so much that they can't afford to do what they need to though - we have Michael Bay films for that shit.
Re: HBO - Game of Thrones - Jakensama - 04-10-2012
We are getting at least 1 more season:
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I wish they would have given it to Carnivale
Re: HBO - Game of Thrones - Shinigami - 04-10-2012
[/quote]There are battles but they rarely are really a crescendo but rather to set the stage for the next batch of political intrigue. Its basically the opposite of LOTR, instead of having horribly written characters as an excuse to have big fight scenes, the big fight scenes in the book are to move characters forward (or in the ground as is often the case).
I wont mind if the TV cuts battles like the end of the first season to save enough money for the important shit. Obviously the big fight at the end of this season will have to get some love. Hopefully not so much that they can't afford to do what they need to though - we have Michael Bay films for that shit.[/quote]
Funny enough when I recommend this series the amount of plot per episode and its relentless pace forward are often my favorite things to talk about. There are very few moments that don't serve to to drive the overall plot or subplots forward which is both amazing and refreshing. The writing and acting have made these characters rise from ink and paper to become people. As for the other point I agree there weren't many fights but when they do take the time to choreograph it is something to behold. I completely agree that if it came down to a choice between one epic battle and something like Tyrion being well Tyrion I would choose character development every time. As far as costs are concerned I have heard concern from a number of fans that the CGI required for their adult forms might be too much for HBO to handle, and they might or might not cancel the show because of it. Thoughts? Also out of all the characters which is your favorite or whom do you find the most entertaining?
Re: HBO - Game of Thrones - Jakensama - 04-10-2012
I don't really know about how much the costs of CGI are but....
[spoiler]With how little a part the Dragons have really played thus far in the books they have plenty of time to sort shit out.[/spoiler]
Best characters are Tyrion, Varys and Littlefinger - pretty much like in the book.
Not sure who the worst are, I hate Catelyn in the book and don't despise her in the show. I found Dany pretty meh in both ones.
I hate Brienne and thought she was a waste of a character and part of the problem of dragging a story on too long, I'll see if I hate her as much as I do in the book.
Re: HBO - Game of Thrones - Chain - 04-10-2012
How much I like most characters varies wildly as the story progresses. For instance Daenerys - I started out hating her, then she gradually morphed into my favorite character. The opposite happened to Bran who I liked in the beginning, but now I just want to slam his whining, self-pitying little face against a stone wall. Yes, you're a cripple now, although all you ever wanted to be was a knight. We get it, shut up!
Re: HBO - Game of Thrones - Jakensama - 04-10-2012
Yeah, why don't those crippled 7 year olds man the fuck up!
Catelyn has got to be by far the worst. At first she is pretty much like "You have no choice, you have to go become the Hand of the King", then when their kid falls she starts bitching about Ned leaving. Make up your mind, woman! [spoiler]Her personality is much improved once she becomes a Zombie.[/spoiler]
Although at least thats believable instead of the insipidly awful female characters as Jordan..
Littlefinger is awesome too because he is a complete cocksucker and [spoiler]there are never any repercussions to his actions other than his constant advancement in life. I hope the whole assholes finish first thing works out and he remains on top - trying to force some sappy deus ex machina justice on him would be lame.[/spoiler]
Re: HBO - Game of Thrones - Donions - 04-10-2012
Ay, Littlefinger is by FAR the best character. In my opinion anyways.
Re: HBO - Game of Thrones - Chain - 04-10-2012
Jakensama Wrote:Yeah, why don't those crippled 7 year olds man the fuck up!
I just don't want to constantly hear about it.
Re: HBO - Game of Thrones - OrsunVZ - 04-11-2012
Surprised you didn't like brienne... I really enjoyed her story arc. Partly because of Jamie's involvement I'm sure, but I found her story infinitely more enjoyable than dany's ... Er, well, at least until book 5.
Re: HBO - Game of Thrones - Zirak - 04-11-2012
Not a fan of Littlefinger myself - mostly because of the reasons stated by Jake for liking him. I keep waiting for someone to gut him for all the crap he pulls.
Tyrion is my favorite. Who I like after him fluctuates with the story.
Re: HBO - Game of Thrones - Chain - 04-11-2012
OrsunVZ Wrote:Surprised you didn't like brienne... I really enjoyed her story arc. Partly because of Jamie's involvement I'm sure, but I found her story infinitely more enjoyable than dany's ... Er, well, at least until book 5.
I do like her, and Sansa also (another character I started out hating then grew to love). I just like Daenerys better, partially because she willingly takes responsibility for a very large group of people at a very young age, and partially because I love dragons.
Of course, I'm only 3/4ths though the second book at this point, so Brienne hasn't done a whole lot just yet.
Also, [undisputed fact]Tyrion is friggin awesome.[/undisputed fact]
Re: HBO - Game of Thrones - Shinigami - 04-11-2012
I am surprised to hear all the love for Littlefinger he is very much a character I love to hate. His pragmatism and slithering about the throne in the hopes of acquiring more wealth and power kind of makes me want to stab him on sight. Which also proves what a great character he is when I stop to think about it. The actor who portrays him is also brilliant. As for his actions up to this point and or future schemes I have a feeling more backs will be stabbed. As for consequences well it could end up like Les Mes where the Thernadiers who survive everything to continue their sleazy ways. However, the difference is that Littlefinger continues to stay in power. Where the Thernadiers are underfoot or not considered worth the effort Littlefinger is constantly around the people who die. Even without proof rumors and suspicions will or have already begun to follow him. Westeros has its share fools and tools but amidst the masses there are brilliant deadly individuals that could easily connect the dots. With that being said I personally hope Arya is the one to end him or perhaps Sansa if she ever learns to handle herself. Even without my theories Martin has demonstrated repeatedly that killing off main and or beloved characters is something he can and will do. Hopefully if Littlefinger meets the Reaper it is a compelling and logical death. Also TYRION RULES!
Re: HBO - Game of Thrones - Vanraw - 04-11-2012
Chain Wrote:Also, [undisputed fact]Tyrion is friggin awesome.[/undisputed fact]
I agree 100%. Peter Dinklage is outstanding. I hope he wins another Emmy this year.
Re: HBO - Game of Thrones - Chain - 04-13-2012
I just finished reading the second book:
[spoiler]The weird magic wolf-powers the Starks seem to have really bug me. It's half because, frankly, they don't seem that useful.
The Hound has gotten to be a really interesting character - and his relationship with Sansa is very strange. I hope he's not gone forever.
Theon was a prick and I'm glad he died. Maybe we can follow Asha a little bit now?
What the hell is wrong with Martin? What is with all the incest?
hock:[/spoiler]
Re: HBO - Game of Thrones - Donions - 04-14-2012
To keep family's bloodlines pure, duh.
Re: HBO - Game of Thrones - Dharus - 04-17-2012
I am surprised by the Littlefinger love too. The characters have some good and bad qualities to them, however, Martin hasn't put one character into this series that is completely good. The best would be Sansa but even she's a bitch at times... but that comes with being naive little noble girl.
[spoiler]Who knows what Littlefinger will do with her too. Book 6 he just might make her his female Reek with his obsession with her.[/spoiler]
I was a bit turned off at first with all of the stuff in the books and then later portrayed by HBO. Then I just looked at it as this world Martin created is primal and brutal. I liken the series to the Conan books rather than LotR. The Conan short stories pushed the limits of sex and brutality in writing at the time. So, I came to realise that Martin's inclusion of this stuff is as a backdrop for a depraved society. Its actually nice change from the Harry Potter, Hunger Games, Vampire whatever fantasy crap that's out there now. I like my fantasy this way... brutal, dirty, and intellectual. However, before I praise Martin too much... he really needs to tie up his work well because it is getting a bit much.
Re: HBO - Game of Thrones - Vanraw - 04-17-2012
Dharus Tyranus Wrote:The best would be Sansa but even she's a bitch at times... but that comes with being naive little noble girl.
I hate her. Ever since she turned on Arya and took the princes side on the beach / wolf issue.
Cat and Arya seem to be the only "good" people so far, but again, I havent read the books. So up until now.....
Re: HBO - Game of Thrones - Donions - 04-17-2012
The only way I want to describe Sansa is with the "C word", but there is women on these forums.
Re: HBO - Game of Thrones - Chain - 04-17-2012
(I'm assuming anyone reading this has either seen the first season or doesn't care about spoilers)
Cat is horrible to anyone who isn't her husband or children - especially to poor Jon Snow who never did anything to her but be born - and if you're watching the show you'll see very shortly just how mean and cruel a person Arya really is (unless HBO chickens out and cuts some of it).
Ned was good-ish, bastard child aside, and that got Robert killed and Ned executed for treason.
I'd argue that Brienne of Tarth is genuinely good. Ironically the closest person to Sansa's dear "true knight" is a woman. Of course, this again comes with the disclaimer that I'm only about 3/4ths of the way through the third book.
Re: HBO - Game of Thrones - Jakensama - 04-17-2012
Arya isn't cruel, she just isn't a pacifist and is kind of shat on (like pretty much every character in that book).. I would say wanting some payback after some incidents she has been through isn't really indicative of cruelty.
Cat certainly isn't a very nice person, although she is a bit more sympathetic thus far in the tv show (then again, so is cersei).
I guess Brienne is probably one of the few characters without some major fucked up actions thus far... and Tommen I guess.
Sansa gets a little better, she was just a vapid ignorant kid - its not like she is Geoffery or Reek and actually deserves whats coming up.