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Re: Android already surpasses iPhone - Slamz - 06-26-2010
Apple can do well in the MP3 market because it's a different model. Everyone is making their own hardware and their own software, and Apple is very capable of competing in that model. There's no Microsoft or Google OS for MP3 players for hardware manufacturers to flock to (or will Android do that, too?).
Apple's problem is that they try to INSIST on being the only people making the hardware for their OS, while Google and Microsoft only care about the operating system.
Still, the switch to Intel so that Macs could run Windows seems like an admission within Apple that if push comes to shove, they will live on as a hardware company rather than continue putting all their bets on their own OS. If Android does take off, I don't think it will kill iPhones, but it might cause Apple to relent and come out with an iPhone that comes with the Android OS!
It's not like I'm philosophically against a company making its own hardware and software. I'm just saying that Apple lost the PC market because of the same thing we're starting to see happen in the phone market. Only in fully self-contained markets (like MP3) has Apple really been able to shine and stay shining.
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I think you'll see tablets going the same way (and no, the Kindle is not a tablet computer). Apple launches the trend but then someone else comes along and takes their ball away from them, like Microsoft did with Windows. There are lots of companies out there hoping to make a profit in the phone or tablet business and when it comes down to it, their choices are:
a) Develop their own OS
b) Use Windows or Android
c) Use Apple's OS
Well "C" is out because Apple won't let them use their OS. Apple doesn't want to have to directly compete on hardware if they can avoid it.
So the real choice is A vs B. And obviously just about everyone chooses "B".
The only way Apple can really dominate is to continually outsmart the entire hardware industry, which is what they have pitted themselves against with their business plan.
Re: Android already surpasses iPhone - Snowreap - 06-26-2010
Slamz Wrote:Still, the switch to Intel so that Macs could run Windows seems like an admission within Apple that if push comes to shove, they will live on as a hardware company rather than continue putting all their bets on their own OS. If Android does take off, I don't think it will kill iPhones, but it might cause Apple to relent and come out with an iPhone that comes with the Android OS!I think the reason for the switch is that Intel did so much more volume (due to Windows) that the hardware was cheaper. Intel and AMD can spread out the development cost of their CPU's over a very large market, and they do enough volume that they can bring newer CPUs to market every year. the only thing Apple is admitting with that move is that PowerPC CPUs will always have a worse MIPS/$ ratio than Intel/AMD (and a worse top-end performance), because the volume is so much lower, making it harder to recover the development costs. IBM doesn't sell enough PowerPC chips to be able to match Intel and AMD's pace of chip releases and clock-speed improvements.
I don't see something similar happening with phones because the costs are a lot lower, and the engineering economics are different (for example power consumption affects all kinds of things in ways that don't apply to desktop PCs).
-ken
Re: Android already surpasses iPhone - Jakensama - 06-29-2010
Heh.. Steve Jobs "There is no reception issue." Also, "We've always been at war with Eastasia" (courtesy of fark)
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Re: Android already surpasses iPhone - Grieve - 06-29-2010
Yes, shockingly, the iPhone behaves like every other mobile phone... (see videos at link)
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/25793/
Re: Android already surpasses iPhone - Jakensama - 06-29-2010
Well obviously since Steve Jobs is Jesus Christ reincarnated his products shouldn't act like mundane human inventions, now should they?
No problem with my BB though, once again proving its the best thing around.
/would buy an iphone os phone or an android phone if someone released a model with a keyboard
//but since only one of those OSes isn't run by a nazi, I have a feeling which one I will end up with
Re: Android already surpasses iPhone - Vanraw - 06-29-2010
Slamz Wrote:till, the switch to Intel so that Macs could run Windows seems like an admission within Apple that if push comes to shove, they will live on as a hardware company rather than continue putting all their bets on their own OS. If Android does take off, I don't think it will kill iPhones, but it might cause Apple to relent and come out with an iPhone that comes with the Android OS!
I honestly think that one of "Apples" long term plans is to take on windows directly from a OS perspective. When they first moved to the Linux kernel, it was the first step. Then they moved the HW foot print to Intel, it was the second step. The last step will be a box version that will run on any PC. As driver standardization becomes more and more consistent, it will be come easier for apple to move into this area.
Think of the market opportunity that Apple has here. All Microslop has to do is deliver another Vista POS, and Apple could launch a simple champaign that would say, "here is your solution". They have already set a market perception of stability and ease of use. Drivers are still the issue though. Apple's stability comes from its dictatorial stance towards HW.
Re: Android already surpasses iPhone - Moristans - 06-29-2010
Quote:/would buy an iphone os phone or an android phone if someone released a model with a keyboard
I mentioned wayyyyy back that the Motorola Droid has a slide-out keyboard. Even though it's an older model Android phone, it's still rated in the top 5 or top 10 Android phones.
Re: Android already surpasses iPhone - Jakensama - 06-29-2010
Yeah someone played with it here and didnt like it, I'll check out the droid 2 when it comes out in August..
Re: Android already surpasses iPhone - Arsilon - 07-05-2010
Warning: There is some graphic language
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg[/youtube]
Re: Android already surpasses iPhone - Vanraw - 07-05-2010
That was great Arsilon. It all makes sense to me now.
Re: Android already surpasses iPhone - Jakensama - 07-06-2010
Haha, so thats what Grieve sounds like IRL.
Re: Android already surpasses iPhone - Jakensama - 07-06-2010
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Haha kid got fired over making this... The Steve Jobs Empire is long reaching in it's vengeful grasp.
Re: Android already surpasses iPhone - Dustie - 07-12-2010
Doh
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/consumer-reports-wont-recommend-iphone-4-2010-07-12-125300?siteid=rss&rss=1
"Due to this problem, we can't recommend the iPhone 4,"
Re: Android already surpasses iPhone - Grieve - 07-12-2010
Dustie Wrote:DohLuckily I think approprimately zero people will base their decision on whether to get the latest iPhone on Consumer Reports.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/consumer-reports-wont-recommend-iphone-4-2010-07-12-125300?siteid=rss&rss=1
"Due to this problem, we can't recommend the iPhone 4,"
It's all a storm in a teacup, just like previous outcrys (No 3G support! No cut and paste! No video camera! No multi-tasking! No Verizon! Wah!)
Re: Android already surpasses iPhone - Grieve - 07-12-2010
Dustie Wrote:DohHmm, and yet ironically they also rate it as the best smartphone available...left hand and right hand seem to be working independantly.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/consumer-reports-wont-recommend-iphone-4-2010-07-12-125300?siteid=rss&rss=1
"Due to this problem, we can't recommend the iPhone 4,"
http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20100712/consumer-reports-by-the-way-the-iphone-4-is-also-the-best-smartphone-on-the-market/?reflink=ATD_yahoo_ticker
By the way, my iPhone 4 arrived today, and I absolutely can't replicate the reception issue. It obviously only happens in areas with a weak signal. I'll take my phone in tomorrow and challenge Dustie and Slamz to reproduce it.
Re: Android already surpasses iPhone - Slamz - 07-12-2010
Oh that should be easy. Walk into Clyde's.
Re: Android already surpasses iPhone - Fretty - 07-13-2010
There are videos on youtube that show the signal going from full (or almost full) to 0 bars and dropping calls if held for about a minute. I guess it's ok if you don't plan on talking or using a data connection for over a minute at a time...
Re: Android already surpasses iPhone - Snowreap - 07-13-2010
the bars don't match reality. 5 bars isn't 5 times as much signal as 1 bar. instead, 5 bars represents a wide range, all considered "strong". 1 bar represents a very narrow range between "signal unusable" and "2 bars' worth of signal".
when the signal is very very strong (5 bars), you can hold it by the sides and the signal drops to merely somewhat strong, and that's still considered 5 bars. but when the signal is barely strong and you hold it by the sides and the signal drops to not-very-strong-at-all, then you might see it drop from 5 to 1 or 2 bars.
-ken
Re: Android already surpasses iPhone - Grieve - 07-13-2010
Again...
1) The problem only occurs if you are in area with a weak signal - I can't reproduce at all at home - not even a one bar drop.
2) The issue looks worse than it is because of a software display bug.
3) I've never seen anyone carry an iPhone without a case. It doesn't happen with a case (or even a bit of duct tape, apparantly).
4) There are loads of videos (some of which I've already posted) showing other phones doing exactly the same thing.
Re: Android already surpasses iPhone - Dustie - 07-13-2010
Not good when a phone requires duct tape right off the shelf... =)
Re: Android already surpasses iPhone - Snowreap - 07-13-2010
http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2010/07/01/13120-the-motorola-droid-x-advertisement-that-takes-a-jibe-at-ipho.jpg
Re: Android already surpasses iPhone - Jakensama - 07-14-2010
Grieve dressed as Apple's new spokesman:
Re: Android already surpasses iPhone - Slamz - 07-14-2010
"There is no signal reception problem, never! Even now I am using my iPhone to access wikipedia with my sweaty hand fully in contact with the antenna. The Droid has already failed. They have not sold one unit. We have their millions of customers surrounded and there is no escape for them." -- Grieve, Apple Minster of Information
Re: Android already surpasses iPhone - Dustie - 07-14-2010
Slamz Wrote:"There is no signal reception problem, never! Even now I am using my iPhone to access wikipedia with my sweaty hand fully in contact with the antenna. The Droid has already failed. They have not sold one unit. We have their millions of customers surrounded and there is no escape for them." -- Grieve, Apple Minster of Information
... now now .. hear me .. if you will all line up, I will give you each one square inch of duct tape. Yes, this should be put on your phone in the bottom left hand corner as a sign of our triumph over the evil droids.
Re: Android already surpasses iPhone - Grieve - 07-14-2010
Uncouth unbelievers.
Steve will light the way.